Hall, James Carter?

Birth Name Hall, James Carter?
Gender male
Age at Death about 84 years, 7 months, 4 days


Hall branch originally from Joe McCarty & Billie Joe Hall. Provenance of "Carter" as his middle-name is dubious and could have been confusion with a James Hall in Washington Co, KY. I vaguely recall my grandmother Mary Hall mentioning Carter, but she also had Carter in her tree.

Additional sources see Ann (Jobe) Brown.

Probable record: 20 Mar 1810 purchase of land from "J Hall" in Lincoln Co, TN east side of Coldwater Creek south of Elk River. This is probably James Hall because John Williams ( later neighbor/ -in-law in Jackson Co, AL ) also bought land on Coldwater Creek.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5581627 -
Private in War of 1812 discharged at Ft. Deposit Alabama on March 1,1815.
"drafted at Fayetteville, [Lincoln Co], Tennessee, on or about September 20, 1814, for the term of six months."

Several land grants in Lincoln Co, TN 1818-1819 on Bean Creek south branch of Elk River

Note: a James Hall is a petitoner in the 1819 Settlers on Indian Lands, Jackson, Alabama & Marion, Tennessee:
He is listed twice on the 3rd petition.

private msg from Ann B Chambless:
"James Hall must have moved his membership to the PB church in Paint Rock Valley in or shortly before 1824 because the Mud Creek Association of Baptists minutes show that James Hall was a messenger from the Paint Rock church to the associational meetings in 1824 and 1826."

from Mike Landwehr:
"This mention of James Hall, John Williams and James Dodson as representatives of the Paint Rock Church in 1826 are a reminder of a puzzling land purchase which is documented by Tennessee Land Patent #9545. This land was entered on July 29, 1826, and the grant was issued on July 30, 1829, to John Williams, James Hall, James Dotson, Thomas Read, Dan’l & William McGehee, and Thomas Hargills. The grant was for 70 acres of land, purchased for $.01 per acre, and located in Lincoln County, Tennessee, on the head waters of Shelton Creek, between a 49-acre tract owned by Joseph Hinkles on the west, and 300 acres owned by James Smith to the southeast."
[curiously, patent #9545 first recorded 1816 to William B Nunn - James Hall's neighbor in Lincoln Co, TN]

"James Hall" excluded from the Mud Creek Primitive Baptist Church before 1829 -

Joe Hall, his gggson, said James Carter Hall once lived in Franklin County, TN and was a baptist minister.
1850 said was from NC
1860 said was from NC
1870 said was from VA
Mary Jane Hall, his gggdaughter, told me his full name was James Carter Hall. A great-grandson of Thomas Hall referred to him as "Uncle Jimmy", and that he was of Irish descent.

U.S. General Land Office Records, 1796-1907 publ ancestry.com:
20 May 1831 160.8 acres
1850 Agricultural Census:
James Hall, 100, 220, 1500, 50, 500, where items are:
100 Acres of Improved Land
220 Acres of Unimproved Land
1500 Cash Value of Farm
$50 Value of Farm Implements and Machinery
$550 Value of Livestock
It looks like his 1831 patent was where the town of Larkin is located today off AL Hwy 65. TS1 R4 Sect 33 up in the NW part of the County. A James Hall also patented some of the surrounding land in the 1850s.

"History of the Rise and Progress of the the Baptists in Alabama, 1780-1841" by Hosea Holcombe, Phila., 1840; reprinted by Unigraphic, Inc., 1975.
" p. 293--"We perceive that Elders J. Hall and J. Williams were at that time members of this church; and we would hope, that they are, true missionaries; if they are not, they should be."

Excellent compilation of reference material on James Hall -

"Following James Hall's death in 1870, his widow filed a claim for a widow's pension. In her claim, James Hall's widow described James as having had black hair, grey eyes, and fair complexion."

Interesting similarities to Rev James Hall of Dauphin Co, PA -> Iredell Co, NC, wife Prudence Roddy.
"The descendants of James Hall and his wife, Prudence, are numerous in America. Many have been ministers of the Gospel..."
However, descendants Y-DNA (family 17) does not match ours.

from "History of Jackson County" by John Robert Kennamer, c1935
"The setlers of the Valley [Paint Rock Valley] were not different from the settlers in other parts of the county...On Estill's Fork are found Burks, Wilson, Sims, Mins, Gray, Sisk, Langham, Hood, Trice, Money, Reid, Robertson, Collins and Gayle. Further down the river are found Grimmett, Vanzant, Bulman, Holland, Hinshaw, Turpin, Austell, Morris, Martin, Robertson, Miller, Walker, Fowler, and Grant. On Larkin's Fork are found Kennedy, McColum, Riddle, Brewer, Cagle, Arnold, Jack, King, Cox, Dubois, Shepard, Beason, Reed, Allen, Butler, Clung, Hall, Trice, Hickman, Fanning, Calloway, Simmons, and Green"


Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth about 1786 Iredell or Rowan County, NC    
Event Note

Note 1870 Census says born in VA, all others say NC. Several trees claim he was born in Lincoln Co, TN, which is doubtfull, but he may have lived there 1806-1820. We have been unable to connect to any other Hall's in Iredell or Rowan Co, NC.

Occupation     baptist minister  
Event Note

as told by my great uncle Joe Hall. Willie Hall wrote "He was a Primitive Baptist Preacher".

Death 1870-08-05 Swaim, Jackson, AL    
Burial   Jackson Co, AL Prince Point Cemetery or Swaim Cemetery (findagrave.com) 1a


Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father Hall, Thomas?
Mother Carter?, ?
    Brother     Hall, Thomas about 1785 before 1840
         Hall, James Carter? about 1786 1870-08-05
    Brother     Hall, Stephen? about 1790 1842-08-12


Family of Hall, James Carter? and Williams, Mary Ann

Married Wife Williams, Mary Ann ( * about 1791 + about 1845 )
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage about 1810   Marriage of Hall, James and Williams, Mary Ann "Polly" 2 3 1b
Event Note

Numerous old trees claim they were married in Henry Co, TN, which is extremely unlikely. Henry Co, TN wasn't formed until 1821! Much of it was in Trigg Co, KY before that. It is more likely they married in Lincoln Co, TN because of James Hall's land grants there at that time.

incorrect entry in many trees to married in 10 Sep 1806. This was confusion over a different family of Halls in Washington Co, KY -


James and Polly had 19 children, but 3 died young ( probably in the smallpox epidemic late 1830's). A review of 1830 vs 1840 US Census shows 3 unknown children, added., however the 1820 Census of James Hall in Lincoln Co, TN does NOT show extra daughters ( only 3 in 1820: Elizabeth, Jerusha, & Permelia). More likely the extra children were born between 1830 and 1837.

1809: Petition to Protect Settler's Land ( "South-Eastern Bedford Co at the time)
1812: tax roll of Franklin Co, TN has a "James M Hall" next to "Thomas Hall" http://www.tngenweb.org/franklin/frantax.htm
1818-1819: Land records in Lincoln Co, TN on Bends Creek, south fork of Elk River (on border with Franklin Co, and near a grist mill in Franklin County later mentioned by descendants)
1820: James Hall in Lincoln Co, TN (note small family in Franklin Co could not be them)
1830: Huge family in Jackson County, TN "West of the 4th Range Line (pg 93)

great-grandson Willie Hall recalled only these children "He was married twice and reared several children, Thomas Hall, Elija, Elisha, Dave, Sam, and one girl, Fannie"

son Thomas Hall lists the heirs of his estate for Letters of Administration:
widow Leatha Hall
John in Missouri
Thomas , the petitioner
Jerutha Taylor
Jessee in Missouri
Elizabeth Taylor in Missouri*
Samuel Hall*
Elijah (Elizabeth) Hall in Texas*
Elisha Hall, Ark
James Hall, Ark
William Hall in Missouri*
Permelia Vandiver*
David Hall
Cyntha Murphy*
Mary Prince
Nancy Wann
Frany(Fanny) Robertson
[note somewhat different order than known!]*

from HISTORY OF JACKSON COUNTY, ALABAMA by John Robert Kennamer, Decatur, Al 1935:
"The valleys of the Tennessee, Paint Rock and the low level lands lying along Crow, Mud and Sauta Creeks were covered with dense cane-brakes, brushwood and briers matted together with vines; and towering above all this were large oak, poplar, gum and other trees, with a lake or lagoon here and there. The ridges and coves which were bordered by the Cumberland, Sand, and Gunter's Mountain were fertile and had a luxuriant growth of cane and forest.
The mountain tops were better suited for the early settler to make his home, with no undergrowth except tall grass with trees far enough apart that one could drive a team and wagon for miles without a road. Deer were plentiful and turkeys as numerous as chickens are at the present time. Upon the waters bevies of ducks, geese, and other wild fowls dived and circled in play. One has described these mountains as follows: "The mountain air sighed through the tree tops as pure and sweet as the breath of a maiden; squirrels gambled in the forest trees; turkeys gobbled and strutted on the mountains; eagles screamed from their lofty perch on towering cliffs; and doves cooed their story of love on every hill and in every dale."

Name Birth Date Death Date
Hall, Elizabethabout 18101842
Hall, John Wabout 1811between 1860 and 1870
Hall, Thomas Washington Sr1812-05-231897-10-02
Hall, Jeruthaabout 1814between 1870 and 1880
Hall, Jesse1815-04-011896-03-20
Hall, daughter1between 1816 and 1820before 1840
Hall, daughter2between 1816 and 1820before 1840
Hall, Elisha Prescottabout 18181889-11-09
Hall, Elijah1819-03-161884-12-14
Hall, Permeliaabout 1820-02-00about 1904-11-00
Hall, William Carrollabout 1821after 1861
Hall, sonbetween 1823 and 1825before 1840
Hall, Samuel1826-01-261910-08-27
Hall, James Cabout 18291862-06-06
Hall, Maryabout 1831before 1856
Hall, David H1832-03-101911-07-18
Hall, Nancyabout 1834between 1880 and 1900
Hall, Cynthia Annabout 1837after 1860
Hall, Jonathanabout 1838after 1860

Family of Hall, James Carter? and Moore, Cynthia Althea

Married Wife Moore, Cynthia Althea ( * 1820-09-22 + 1887-09-05 )
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage 1848-07-30 Madison, AL   1c

Francis maybe "Rachel F Robinson" in 1870 census.

Name Birth Date Death Date
Hall, Josephabout 1850before 1860
Hall, Francis1854-06-00

Source References

  1. various: Find A Grave
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  2. Data provided by fellow researcher, Vicki Hill. Her email address is vlhill@airmail.net
  3. Data provided by fellow researcher, Rob Martindale.