Hall, James Carter?
Birth Name | Hall, James Carter? |
Gender | male |
Age at Death | about 84 years, 7 months, 4 days |
Narrative
Hall branch originally from Joe McCarty & Billie Joe Hall. Provenance of "Carter" as his middle-name is dubious and could have been confusion with a James Hall in Washington Co, KY. I vaguely recall my grandmother Mary Hall mentioning Carter, but she also had Carter in her tree.
Additional sources see Ann (Jobe) Brown.
Probable record: 20 Mar 1810 purchase of land from "J Hall" in Lincoln Co, TN east side of Coldwater Creek south of Elk River. This is probably James Hall because John Williams ( later neighbor/ -in-law in Jackson Co, AL ) also bought land on Coldwater Creek.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5581627 -
Private in War of 1812 discharged at Ft. Deposit Alabama on March 1,1815.
"drafted at Fayetteville, [Lincoln Co], Tennessee, on or about September 20, 1814, for the term of six months."
http://www.mikelandwehr.com/rev-james-hall.html
Several land grants in Lincoln Co, TN 1818-1819 on Bean Creek south branch of Elk River
Note: a James Hall is a petitoner in the 1819 Settlers on Indian Lands, Jackson, Alabama & Marion, Tennessee:
http://files.usgwarchives.net/al/jackson/history/other/1819indiansquat.txt
He is listed twice on the 3rd petition.
private msg from Ann B Chambless:
"James Hall must have moved his membership to the PB church in Paint Rock Valley in or shortly before 1824 because the Mud Creek Association of Baptists minutes show that James Hall was a messenger from the Paint Rock church to the associational meetings in 1824 and 1826."
from Mike Landwehr:
"This mention of James Hall, John Williams and James Dodson as representatives of the Paint Rock Church in 1826 are a reminder of a puzzling land purchase which is documented by Tennessee Land Patent #9545. This land was entered on July 29, 1826, and the grant was issued on July 30, 1829, to John Williams, James Hall, James Dotson, Thomas Read, Dan’l & William McGehee, and Thomas Hargills. The grant was for 70 acres of land, purchased for $.01 per acre, and located in Lincoln County, Tennessee, on the head waters of Shelton Creek, between a 49-acre tract owned by Joseph Hinkles on the west, and 300 acres owned by James Smith to the southeast."
[curiously, patent #9545 first recorded 1816 to William B Nunn - James Hall's neighbor in Lincoln Co, TN]
"James Hall" excluded from the Mud Creek Primitive Baptist Church before 1829 -
http://www.trackingyourroots.com/data/churchmembers.htm
Joe Hall, his gggson, said James Carter Hall once lived in Franklin County, TN and was a baptist minister.
1850 said was from NC
1860 said was from NC
1870 said was from VA
Mary Jane Hall, his gggdaughter, told me his full name was James Carter Hall. A great-grandson of Thomas Hall referred to him as "Uncle Jimmy", and that he was of Irish descent.
U.S. General Land Office Records, 1796-1907 publ ancestry.com:
20 May 1831 160.8 acres
1850 Agricultural Census:
James Hall, 100, 220, 1500, 50, 500, where items are:
100 Acres of Improved Land
220 Acres of Unimproved Land
1500 Cash Value of Farm
$50 Value of Farm Implements and Machinery
$550 Value of Livestock
It looks like his 1831 patent was where the town of Larkin is located today off AL Hwy 65. TS1 R4 Sect 33 up in the NW part of the County. A James Hall also patented some of the surrounding land in the 1850s.
"History of the Rise and Progress of the the Baptists in Alabama, 1780-1841" by Hosea Holcombe, Phila., 1840; reprinted by Unigraphic, Inc., 1975.
" p. 293--"We perceive that Elders J. Hall and J. Williams were at that time members of this church; and we would hope, that they are, true missionaries; if they are not, they should be."
Excellent compilation of reference material on James Hall -
http://www.mikelandwehr.com/rev-james-hall.html
"Following James Hall's death in 1870, his widow filed a claim for a widow's pension. In her claim, James Hall's widow described James as having had black hair, grey eyes, and fair complexion."
Interesting similarities to Rev James Hall of Dauphin Co, PA -> Iredell Co, NC, wife Prudence Roddy.
"The descendants of James Hall and his wife, Prudence, are numerous in America. Many have been ministers of the Gospel..."
http://www.archive.org/stream/genealogyrecolle00moor/genealogyrecolle00moor_djvu.txt
However, descendants Y-DNA (family 17) does not match ours.
from "History of Jackson County" by John Robert Kennamer, c1935
"The setlers of the Valley [Paint Rock Valley] were not different from the settlers in other parts of the county...On Estill's Fork are found Burks, Wilson, Sims, Mins, Gray, Sisk, Langham, Hood, Trice, Money, Reid, Robertson, Collins and Gayle. Further down the river are found Grimmett, Vanzant, Bulman, Holland, Hinshaw, Turpin, Austell, Morris, Martin, Robertson, Miller, Walker, Fowler, and Grant. On Larkin's Fork are found Kennedy, McColum, Riddle, Brewer, Cagle, Arnold, Jack, King, Cox, Dubois, Shepard, Beason, Reed, Allen, Butler, Clung, Hall, Trice, Hickman, Fanning, Calloway, Simmons, and Green"
Events
Event | Date | Place | Description | Sources |
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Birth | about 1786 | Iredell or Rowan County, NC | ||
Event Note
Note 1870 Census says born in VA, all others say NC. Several trees claim he was born in Lincoln Co, TN, which is doubtfull, but he may have lived there 1806-1820. We have been unable to connect to any other Hall's in Iredell or Rowan Co, NC. |
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Occupation | baptist minister | |||
Event Note
as told by my great uncle Joe Hall. Willie Hall wrote "He was a Primitive Baptist Preacher". |
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Death | 1870-08-05 | Swaim, Jackson, AL | ||
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Burial | Jackson Co, AL | Prince Point Cemetery or Swaim Cemetery (findagrave.com) | 1a | |
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Parents
Relation to main person | Name | Birth date | Death date | Relation within this family (if not by birth) |
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Father | Hall, Thomas? | |||
Mother | Carter?, ? | |||
Brother | Hall, Thomas | about 1785 | before 1840 | |
Hall, James Carter? | about 1786 | 1870-08-05 | ||
Brother | Hall, Stephen? | about 1790 | 1842-08-12 |
Families
Family of Hall, James Carter? and Williams, Mary Ann |
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Married | Wife | Williams, Mary Ann ( * about 1791 + about 1845 ) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Narrative |
James and Polly had 19 children, but 3 died young ( probably in the smallpox epidemic late 1830's). A review of 1830 vs 1840 US Census shows 3 unknown children, added., however the 1820 Census of James Hall in Lincoln Co, TN does NOT show extra daughters ( only 3 in 1820: Elizabeth, Jerusha, & Permelia). More likely the extra children were born between 1830 and 1837.
1809: Petition to Protect Settler's Land ( "South-Eastern Bedford Co at the time) great-grandson Willie Hall recalled only these children "He was married twice and reared several children, Thomas Hall, Elija, Elisha, Dave, Sam, and one girl, Fannie"
son Thomas Hall lists the heirs of his estate for Letters of Administration:
from HISTORY OF JACKSON COUNTY, ALABAMA by John Robert Kennamer, Decatur, Al 1935: |
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Children |
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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Hall, Elizabeth | about 1810 | 1842 |
Hall, John W | about 1811 | between 1860 and 1870 |
Hall, Thomas Washington Sr | 1812-05-23 | 1897-10-02 |
Hall, Jerutha | about 1814 | between 1870 and 1880 |
Hall, Jesse | 1815-04-01 | 1896-03-20 |
Hall, daughter1 | between 1816 and 1820 | before 1840 |
Hall, daughter2 | between 1816 and 1820 | before 1840 |
Hall, Elisha Prescott | about 1818 | 1889-11-09 |
Hall, Elijah | 1819-03-16 | 1884-12-14 |
Hall, Permelia | about 1820-02-00 | about 1904-11-00 |
Hall, William Carroll | about 1821 | after 1861 |
Hall, son | between 1823 and 1825 | before 1840 |
Hall, Samuel | 1826-01-26 | 1910-08-27 |
Hall, James C | about 1829 | 1862-06-06 |
Hall, Mary | about 1831 | before 1856 |
Hall, David H | 1832-03-10 | 1911-07-18 |
Hall, Nancy | about 1834 | between 1880 and 1900 |
Hall, Cynthia Ann | about 1837 | after 1860 |
Hall, Jonathan | about 1838 | after 1860 |
Family of Hall, James Carter? and Moore, Cynthia Althea
Event | Date | Place | Description | Sources |
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Marriage | 1848-07-30 | Madison, AL | 1c | |
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Francis maybe "Rachel F Robinson" in 1870 census.
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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Hall, Joseph | about 1850 | before 1860 |
Hall, Francis | 1854-06-00 |
Pedigree
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Hall, Thomas?
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Carter?, ?
- Hall, Thomas
- Hall, James Carter?
- Hall, Stephen?
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Carter?, ?
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- Data provided by fellow researcher, Vicki Hill. Her email address is vlhill@airmail.net
- Data provided by fellow researcher, Rob Martindale.